Citazioni 13/ Bizzarreness in dreams
Are dreams really bizarre? They tend to be rather plodding by fictional standards (States, B.: Seeing in the dark: reflections on dream and dreaming, 1977). Bizarreness as mode of thinking differs from the “natural Newtonian laws of wakefulness” that characterize waking reality and the conventional continuity of life (Bonato, R. et al.: The neurology of thinking, 1991). Dreams that fail this reality test are often characterized as bizarre. Bizarreness in thought can be measured using content scales that plot incongruities, uncertainties, and discontinuities. Uncertainty refers to the non-specificity for persons, things, and events in the dream such as unidentifiable localities or characters. Discontinuities are abnormal shifts in person, place, or action – the dreamer becomes someone else or moves abruptly to a different locale. [...]
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Because of these “bizarre” characteristics, dreams are considered to be less reliable than waking thought. This may be true if the dreams were the basis of waking activities, however, in its own dream world, are these characteristics of dreaming actually inefficient and unreliable? In the dream world there is no need to prove that a dragon actually exists. There is no need to prove that the inner world of dreams has a rational, provable continuity with the external world. The standard criteria that we use to test capability in thought or knowledge in our waking world apply poorly when used to analyze dream state.
J. F. Pagel, The Limits of Dream (2008)
December 13th, 2009 at 21:47
se non ricordo male, anche gli psicologi storici dell’interpretazione dei sogni (Jung, Freud) hanno sempre sostenuto che nell’analisi di essi non si dovrebbe mai considerare ciò che si percepisce come se dovesse avere una “trama”, ma interpretare i simboli e trovare un nesso fra di essi aiutandosi con la conoscenza del soggetto e dei suoi trascorsi. Jung, con il suo metodo un po’ misticheggiante aggiungeva anche il suo concetto di inconscio collettivo ed archetipi. per poter funzionare, quindi, è necessario sospendere il giudizio su ogni evento ed oggetto di un sogno, soprattutto i giudizi sulla plausibilità (oltre che morali, ovviamente!).
per curiosità, hai mai sentito parlare o sperimentato l’esperienza del sogno lucido?
ps. grazie per il link all’immagine
December 15th, 2009 at 15:51
Greetings from Italy
December 18th, 2009 at 17:36
Mi sto ancora facendo delle idee, spero venga fuori qualcosa di buono. Ultimamente faccio sogni così assurdi…
April 4th, 2010 at 12:50
when i think of dreams, i think of Descartes and his dream theories. sometimes it is difficult to draw the line between reality and the dream state, but how unreal is the dream state? for all we know, life is as much a dream.
April 6th, 2010 at 15:22
I agree: the fact that in dreams we are in another reality (not de facto, but our perceptions are overcome by dream status, even when you are aware of the fact that you are dreaming ~and you can’t get out), with different rules. Those realities are in touch: what we do during the day affects dreams at night, but what we dream influences somewhat our decisions the day after. It would be romantic to think that those realities may exist on their own.